CHIP is a $9 Linux Development Board Powered by Allwinner R8 (Crowdfunding)

It’s quite common to find MCU board for less than $10, but if you want to run Linux, you’ll need to spend a bit more, unlessit’s sponsored, and today, the cheapest you can get is probably the $20 Raspberry Pi Model A+, unless you go with some OpenWRT compatible routers. But there’s now a new board in development, called CHIP, with Allwinner R8 Cortex A8 processor, 512MB RAM, and 4GB NAND flash, as well as wireless connectivity, that will bring cost even lower, as you can pledge $9 on Kickstarter to fund its development.

CHIP_Allwinner_R8

C.H.I.P specifications:

  • SoC – Allwinner R8 Cortex A8 processor @ 1 GHz with Mali-400 GPU (Compatible with Allwinner A13)
  • System Memory – 512 MB RAM
  • Storage – 4GB NAND flash
  • Connectivity – 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 4.0
  • Video Output – 3.5mm jack for composite video and audio (HDMI and VGA available via adapters)
  • USB – 1x USB host port, 1x micro USB OTG port
  • Two expansion headers
  • Power – 5V via micro USB OTG or battery
  • Dimensions – 60 x 40 mm

The board is said to run a Linux distribution featuring the mainline kernel. There’s also some sort of portable gamedpad called Pocket C.H.I.P that integrates the board and that you can get for $49. The board should ship in December 2015, and Pocket C.H.I.P in May 2016….

The project looks exciting, but when you look at the details, it’s not quite as ground breaking as it may first seem. Shipping is $20, unless you live in the US ($5), so you’d buy a $29 board, which brings it very close to competitors. The internal flash, WiFi and Bluetooth are clear winners in this price range, but I assume few people will use composite output, so you’ll need to spend a few more bucks ($10 to $15) on adapters, and if you need these, you won’t get the board before May 2016… What do you think?

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onebir
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onebir

Seems like a good deal in the US: more or less like a $14 Raspi A?

bruce
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bruce

December 2014 !! I think you meant December 2015 !

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Is that an A13 plus DRAM in a module? That isn’t the standard Allwinner labeling on the CPU.

I would have spent $2 more and used an A33 which is about 10x faster.

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Plus an A13 is a QFP – all of the leads come out as pins around the edges. That’s a BGA CPU in the photo. I don’t think that is a photo of the real product.

Sander
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Sander

For 9 USD I would dare to take the risk if/when CHIP is going to get delivered, knowing things look a bit vague. But not for 29 USD.

So I pledged just 1 USD so that I can comment on kickstarter … 😉

embedded_geek
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for me, it looks like an AllWinner disguised marketing campaign, a way to invade the Maker/DIY community by selling off their new R8 SoC (which is a A13 at the end) to Shenzhen-based accelerated start-up.
There is no way the R8 module with memories cost way less than 9$. AllWinner want to beat the others on what they are best to: cutting price.
And on the other hand, this is full open-source project and AllWinner need to regain points from FOSS community…

bruce
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bruce

@embedded_geek
it’s easy to write “full open-source” both for HW and SW. Let’s see when they actually deliver the source code and the source files of the HW.

milkboy
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milkboy

any detail on the R8 chip?
“A13 compatible”, this is so ambiguous ……….

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Now I see what is going on this is an R8 module from Allwinner which is simply compatible with the A13, not an actual A13.

I am getting CPU+128MB DRAM modules for $6 from another vendor. I see no reason why this R8 module couldn’t be priced at $4 if Allwinner chooses to price it that low. A company the size of Allwinner can make this for about $3. Maybe CNX can get a price out of them.

ade
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ade

> but if you want to run Linux, you’ll need to spend a bit more

Nooo, look at those @Jon Smirl “I am getting CPU+128MB DRAM modules for $6 from another vendor”

Wow, any details ? 🙂

ade
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ade

@ade
Seems there is an issue on the formatting of my previous commment : I said firstly

> but if you want to run Linux, you’ll need to spend a bit more

Nooo, look at those sub-10$ AR9331 or RT5350 boards (e.g. with 64M RAM and 16M flash)

And regarding Jon Smirl comment :

> I am getting CPU+128MB DRAM modules for $6 from another vendor.

Wow, any details ? 🙂

Freire
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Freire

May 2016… In one year a lot things, on internet of things, will happen.

Sander
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Sander

@bruce
‘it’s easy to write “full open-source” both for HW and SW.’

Exactly! Real open-sourcers follow the rule “Release early, release often”, even if it does not yet work or is not yet beautiful.

TC
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TC

Nooo, look at those sub-10$ AR9331 or RT5350 boards (e.g. with 64M RAM and 16M flash)

though, this is a complete different mark we are looking at
RPi, this one and all the other ARM SBCs can run a full kernel and fully featured distro,
while AR71xx and RT limits you basically to OpenWRT and their stripped down kernel

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@ade
Good chance you already own one and don’t realize what you have.

See this HI3518e based camera board here for $11.50?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Pre-order-2-0MP-IP-Camera-Module-1080P-HD-Support-Intelligent-Video-Analytics-Hi3516C-1-2/1838582703.html?spm=2114.32010308.4.2.HSkoTv

That is actually a full Linux computer with uboot, USB, SD Card, GPIO, etc

The thing that looks like an SOC – the Hi3518e is not chip, it is a module. Internally it has an ARM9 CPU and a 64MB Dram chip. All for $4.50. I use a similar chip from Grain Media that has 128MB for $6.

xxiao
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xxiao

@ade
Where is the sub-10$ AR9331/RT5350? I haven’t seen any, all I got is in $20 range.

Peter
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Peter

xxiao :
@ade
Where is the sub-10$ AR9331/RT5350? I haven’t seen any, all I got is in $20 range.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/03/29/a5-v11-mini-router-runs-openwrt-linux-for-just-8/

Victor
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Victor

@ade
possible Ingenic M150

TC
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TC

@xxiao
search for RT5350 here on CNX

Ray Knight
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Ray Knight

TC :

Nooo, look at those sub-10$ AR9331 or RT5350 boards (e.g. with 64M RAM and 16M flash)

though, this is a complete different mark we are looking at
RPi, this one and all the other ARM SBCs can run a full kernel and fully featured distro,
while AR71xx and RT limits you basically to OpenWRT and their stripped down kernel

How do you consider the OpenWRT kernel stripped down? They are built from the mainstream kernel plus some additional patches for switches and wireless nodes.

JotaMG
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JotaMG

$29 ??
This is total shit !!
But the idea is good…

anon
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anon

> May 2016…

Come on, that’s indeed hilarious! Boards like that will cost $2 by then!

deets
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deets

So do we think the module has a MCP DRAM + eMMC or the DRAM is in the R8 package? Either way, would like to get some of those core modules.

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@deets I’m guessing the DRAM is in the R8 package and that is flash next to it.

Al
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Al

The more cheap linux boards the better!
I’ll be extremely interested to see if the project and Allwinner can meet the full open source supposed commitment!

It doesn’t sound like a standard distro, but a cut down custom one.

I’ll get a couple (I’m a sucker for cheap linux boards).

Give it a year or few and we’ll end up with dual A53 or A57 cores with ethernet and better specs for a similar price.

emmc ? more likely flash

Aren’t the delivery dates more due to Allwinners R8 shipment dates ?
Plus it looks like they’ve given themselves some decent buffer times in there and its their second kickstarter.

TC
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TC

Ray Knight :

TC :

Nooo, look at those sub-10$ AR9331 or RT5350 boards (e.g. with 64M RAM and 16M flash)

though, this is a complete different mark we are looking at
RPi, this one and all the other ARM SBCs can run a full kernel and fully featured distro,
while AR71xx and RT limits you basically to OpenWRT and their stripped down kernel

How do you consider the OpenWRT kernel stripped down? They are built from the mainstream kernel plus some additional patches for switches and wireless nodes.

they are custom build with only the required parts, as it has to fit 4mib or even 2mib devices, still containing luci. also, these patches make cross compiling or backporting modules hard to impossible sometimes. i tried making dvb-c work on ar9331, but even if it compiled and insmoded fine, it just segfaulted after connecting usb. building drivers for an 802.11ac stick even never suceeded. but both worked fine with the RPi on same 3.10.49

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@Al It’s not going to be full open source. The CPU has a Mali GPU which is locked down by ARM, Inc – not Allwinner. Allwinner does not have the power to release that code. Plus it is the CHIP people that said open source, not Allwinner.

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Jon Smirl :
@deets I’m guessing the DRAM is in the R8 package and that is flash next to it.

Allwinner has not put DRAM into any of its chips before. My expectation would be, that DRAM and flash are in the same package, like on Ingenic’s Newton2, which uses eMCP H9TP32A4GDCCPR.

Sander
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Sander

The C.H.I.P. FAQ says regarding Open Source: “We expect to be pushing files out publicly soon after the campaign.”.
Ouch: *after* the campaign. So pledge first, and then you have to wait when and what happens.

🙁

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@Sander I don’t see any mystery here. The open source code is going to be the sunxi A13 code. I doubt if this small company is doing any significant new software development. They just need to fix up the bootloader and enable support for their wifi chip. Maybe make some adjustments for TVOUT. So there will be no source for MALI and CedarX. The rest of the code is already available here: https://linux-sunxi.org Allwinner’s Android SDK is there too.

Brian
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Brian

I’m wondering how they get stereo out, composite out _and_ microphone on the same jack. Weird 4-pole or software maybe?

Freire
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Freire

xxiao :
@ade
Where is the sub-10$ AR9331/RT5350? I haven’t seen any, all I got is in $20 range.

$10 Domino IO (AR9331) Estimated delivery: May 2015.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/04/20/domino-core-wi-fi-module-powers-an-arduino-yun-compatible-board-crowdfunding/

ade
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ade

@Freire

those guys also make similar sub-10$ AR9331 router modules (including one version with 5x ethernet switch/VLAN + 64M RAM + 16M flash + wifi + USB + GPIOs, and it’s already available today) => http://www.skylab.com.cn/en/products.aspx?classId=280&s=5
(N.B. their website seems broken right now, but they told me they are working to fix it…)

xxiao
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xxiao

the accessories are not cheap, however that $9 is great for a headless server or even a usb-camera-over-wifi.

xxiao
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xxiao

@Jon Smirl
it’s $14.48 now.
so you will need add a lens, an enclosure, power-supply to make it a diy camera.
plus, not sure how you can load your own kernel/uboot/rootfs etc to this module, I think it has some secure-chip there to avoid tamper, in that case it has nothing to do with open-source
plus there is zero documentation for that module?

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@xxiao
HI3518e modules are under $10 wholesale.

http://www.xiongmaitech.com is a big vendor.
http://www.xiongmaitech.com/upload/201408/201408011601263527.pdf

When you solder a connector into spot on right you get USB and speaker/mic.

How to build the firmware…
http://nemon.org/ipcam-ipr1631x/

Search around in Baidu for datasheet, etc.

There is no tamper protect.

xxiao
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xxiao

@Jon Smirl
will be in shenzhen next week for most of the summer and will hunt for devices like this there. I set up a company there last year for embedded linux hw/sw.

TC
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TC

@xxiao cool!
i’m craving for Kernel 3.19/4.0 capable sub 10$

onebir
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onebir

@Jon Smirl
Isn’t this the second one from #37? If so, $21.45 shipped:
http://www.buyincoins.com/item/54494.html

Do these have specs comparable to the CHIP device or something??? (The vendor specs are kind of sketchy…)

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@onebir Those cameras have the HiSilicon Hi3518e in them. Hi3518e is a chip like the one used in a GoPro. It can run Linux but it is not going to run Android or Ubuntu. Hi3518e is interesting because it is a single BGA with CPU+64MB ram for $4.50. These boards are for experience hackers, CHIP is far easier to use.

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@xxiao xxiao send me an email. There may be other things to investigate while you are there. [email protected]

J0539h
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$9 if you dont want a video connection, its really $24 if you want HDMI.
And if I want to get one, its and additional $20 to deliver.

So $44 to get a $9 device, not such a great buy anymore huh??

Tim
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Tim

This thing looked great until up until I saw the pictures with a Realtek wifi chip. I have a MK808C which uses a Realtek 8723AU that is supposed to support Wifi and Bluetooth altogether. However, if you try to use both at the same time they interfere and fail. Also the Bluetooth seems to be very buggy (for what I wanted to use it for, any way). So, for a headless unit, the Bluetooth becomes pretty useless.

Jagan
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Jagan

When can I expect this board on stores, will probably ordering from web?

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@cnxsoft I think ‘hired’ is to strong a term. They said “work closely” – I interpret that as giving Free Electrons some free boards and then expecting back a finished software system. I am also suspicious that this is a pump and dump product. Ship all of those initial boards and then disappear.

Allwinner does not pay Free Electrons. I don’t know who is funding them.

miska
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miska

http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi/2015-06-02#12965698;
mripard = Maxime Ripard from Free Electrons