Orange Pi 5 (LTS) is a single board computer powered by Rockchip RK3588S cost-down octa-core Cortex-A76/A55 processor that offers one of the best cost/performance ratios on the market with pre-order pricing starting at just $60.
The SBC was initially unveiled with up to 32GB RAM and 32GB eMMC flash, but at launch, Shenzhen Xunlong Software offers models with 4GB and 8GB RAM, and no flash storage. The board supports dual 8K display setups thanks to HDMI 2.1 and DisplayPort 1.4 Type-C video outputs and also features up to two MIPI DSI display interfaces, three camera interfaces, Gigabit Ethernet, and WiFi 6 connectivity, and a few USB ports plus a GPIO header.
Orange Pi 5 LTS specifications:
- SoC – Rockchip RK3588S octa-core processor with 4x Cortex-A76 cores @ up to 2.4 GHz, 4x Cortex-A55 cores @ up to 1.8 GHz, Arm Mali-G610 MP4 GPU, 6 TOPS AI accelerator
- System Memory – 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, or 32GB (TBC) LPDDR4/4x
- Storage –
32GB eMMC flash, 16MB QSPI NOR Flash, MicroSD card slot, M.2 2242 socket for NVMe SSD - Video Output
- HDMI 2.1 up to 8Kp60
- DisplayPort 1.4 up to 8Kp30 via USB-C port (DP 1.4 and USB 3.1 ports are multiplexed, instead of just using USB-C DisplayPort Alt mode as per RK3588S specs)
- 2x 4-lane MIPI DSI connector up to 4Kp60
- Camera I/F – 1x 4-lane MIPI CSI connector, 2x MIPI DCPHY connectors (4-lane DPHY v2.0) for up to 3x cameras
- Audio
- ES8388 audio codec
- 3.5mm audio jack with headphone and microphone support
- Onboard MIC
- Support for HDMI 2.1 eARC
- Networking
- Gigabit Ethernet RJ45 port via YT8531C GbE transceiver
- Optional dual-band Wi-Fi 6 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax 2T2R, Bluetooth 5.0 with BLE support via Ampak AP6275P M.2 module (multiplexed with NVMe SSD)
- USB – 1x USB 3.0 port, 1x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (5 Gbps) Type-C port, 2x USB 2.0 ports
- Expansion – 26-pin header with up to 17x GPIO, 3x UART, 6x PWM, 2x I2C, 2x CAN, etc…
- Debugging – 3-pin UART header for serial console
- Misc – MaskROM and Reset buttons, Power LED, status LED
- Power Supply
5V/4A via DC jack- 5V/4A via USB Type-C port
- RK806-1 PMU
- Dimensions – 100 x 62 mm
- Weight – 46 grams
Just like the other Rockchip RK3588/RK3588S boards we’ve seen, Orange Pi 5 SBC will support Android 12 and Debian 11 initially, as well as Orange Pi OS. Besides the removal of the 32GB eMMC flash, the company has done some other changes due to Rockchip RK3588S having only two Combo PIPE PHY interfaces with the following capabilities:
- Combo PIPE PHY0 – SATA III or PCIe 2.1 up to 5 Gbps
- Combo PIPE PHY2 – SATA III, PCIe 2.1, or USB 3.1 Gen1
Last September the prototype used one of the interfaces for the Ampak AP6275P WiFI 6 and BLE 5.0 module and the second for the USB 3.1 Gen 1 (+DisplayPort) Type-C port. If I understand correctly it should be possible to connect the USB-C port directly to a monitor with DisplayPort input with a special cable, and no USB-C dock is needed since we are not talking about DisplayPort Alt. mode here. We still have the USB 3.1 Gen 1 port in the new revision of the board, the wireless module is gone, replaced by a M.2 PCIe 2.0 2242 socket that can be used by either a 2242 MVMe SSD or a custom design M.2 module with WiFi 6 and Bluetooth 5.0.
Three other changes include the addition of a 16MB SPI flash that should enable network or SSD boot, a different pinout for the 26-pin GPIO header, and the DC jack is gone leaving only the USB Type-C port for power.
Orange Pi 5 is not the first Rockchip RK3588S SBC with Firefly having introduced the ROC-RK3588S-PC board a few months ago and FriendlyELEC just launching the NanoPi R6S SBC with a different set of features.
Shenzhen Xunlong Software has started to take pre-orders for the board with the following pricing:
- $60 for the Orange Pi 5 with 4GB LPDDR4/4x memory on Amazon or Aliexpress
- $75 for the Orange Pi with 8GB LPDDR4/4x memory on Amazon or Aliexpress
The first boards will ship in December. Note those pre-order prices are only valid until November 30th, and the prices will go up to $68 and $83 respectively in December, and eventually, the Orange Pi 5 4GB will sell for $75, and the 8GB model for $90. More details may be found on the product page.
Update: This post was initially published on July 15, 2022, and updated with the new specifications and pricing at launch
Jean-Luc started CNX Software in 2010 as a part-time endeavor, before quitting his job as a software engineering manager, and starting to write daily news, and reviews full time later in 2011.
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> RK806-1 PMU
That’s in contrast to the picture showing RK808 instead.
> cost more or less the same as the $129 Rock 5B board
Let’s not forget RK3588S based Rock 5A which should cost less.
> That’s in contrast to the picture showing RK808 instead.
It looks like the marking on the photo is wrong, and the chip is RK806-1 (It’s visible but a bit blurry).
What a pity. At leat they could split the PHY0 to wifi and sata m.2. I won’t mind sharing ssd bandwidth with the wifi. Or they could set that PHY0 to nvme\ssd. That’ll more usefull.
But well, I’m glad that we have more RK3688 boards. Wishing HardKernel launching their board too.
> split the PHY0 to wifi and sata m.2. I won’t mind sharing ssd bandwidth with the wifi.
You can’t do that with SATA since the PHY can be either PCIe or SATA (mode set at boot with u-boot hacks or a device-tree overlay). Though with NVMe and a PCIe switch that could work. But since a PCIe switch increases the BOM costs most probably you will never see this from Xunlong.
Noted, thanks. I mean split to wifi and nvme, or just use it for nvme. It’ll be more usefull. I’d rather they put PCIe switch rather than those eMMC.
> just use it for nvme
That would’ve been my idea as well. Though no idea which use case this board here targets…
Most probably AP6275P in combination with the RK806-1 PMU are part of some Rockchip reference design (and as such software support in Android and Linux BSP) so we see it now without modifications on a number of RK3588(S) and RK3568 devices.
Yes, agreed. Either they have buyers (in bulk) that need these specifications or it’s part of the reference design (so didn’t need too much tinkering and time, to launch their board to market).
Love the way you have a usb2 stacked with a usb3 yet both are blue. Orange pi who employed Tkaiser, should of left the WiFi and Bluetooth off. As well as done a better port layout. I have no interest in help Orange Pi 🍊
I’m willing to agree with the port layout, the price not so much.
The selling feature for me was the low price @ 50$ for a reasonably performing low-wattage passively-cooled SoC taking abysmal I/O for granted. That has been proven solid even surpassing durability expectations.
It’s fun and usable for projects lying around, but I do not see the value proposition of this generation.
For a NAS, I use Synology because they fully support software 10 years, I don’t want to fsck around with my data.
For a TV box, there’s lots of other options better supported or far cheaper.
For industrial, I choose better support and the cost is payed by the customer.
For a desktop, we have better supported and faster x86-64 or Mac if you’re into that.
For IOT, lots of options which don’t need replacement.
The cheapness is a illusion, because the problems in hours soon comsum any saving. I prefer Friendlyelec.
( I declare I received free hardware from Friendlyelec ( NanoPI R5S )). But that has not affected my choice, I have corresponded with them for years. I find them helpful and professional.
> I received free hardware from Friendlyelec ( NanoPI R5S )
For which purpose? It’s not a TV box so what could you do with this thing? What does FriendlyELEC get in return from you? You help improving with software or at least try to review the stuff thrown at you?
You don’t need hardware for constantly spreading lies and flooding the net with stupid comments…
Get over yourself, people saw the real you with your hated Orange Pi software.
Ok, only more lies. So I guess the only real benefit for any board maker dealing with you (‘corresponded with them for years’) is that way it helps stopping you from badmouthing all over the net?
Anyway, your constant flow of stupid comments is the most annoying thing at cnx-software.com and probably a reason to quit.
Tkaiser – plase don t worry be happy…. ha ha. Orange pi use very cheap PCB ( i know it ). i suspect they use other components also not high quality. And they dont provide software support. Their img file cannot be treat serious. They get money from china governament ( 100% chacked in china newspapers). And they are cheap. If you over heat your board yo will not use it long.
And dont use glue to mount fan on board.
Actually orange pi provides good hardware in quality with nice price and low profits.
What are you even talking about? 😀 PCB is fine. The only sad thing is the sole electrolytic capacitor on PC/PC2. That will probably some day fail. Other than that, my first Orange Pi PC still works fine after almost 7 years of constant uptime. I haven’t even swapped the uSD cards in many of my Orange Pis. (not that any SBC failed on me ever)
I’ve even managed to screw up cpuidle support, resulting in permanent overheating for month at one time. It just continues working.
I’ve used SBCs from many different companies and the only ones I had fail on me were raspberry pies. I’ve not noticed anything wrong with Orange Pi boards. The board that’s given me the most trouble is a FriendlyElec board. I’m not ever going to use another of their products.
Actually if you really try to avoid any trouble, Raspberry Pis provide much better community support. The standard boards support the same OS over multiple generations.
As long as you don’t need the board to do anything and if by ‘support’ you mean a thundering hurd of screaming morons on a censored forum.
🙂
I think you’re too subtle for your interlocutor 🙂
I was trying to charm him with my grandiloquence.
I couldn’t have retorted any better 🙂
for a desktop: it depends on customer’s usage requirements (for instant utilization of established interfaces on mainline software level for system and current applications with high level hardware demand on gpu, exception might be integrated npu (&camera/video inputs) at the moments, it’s probably often a most reasonable choice with x86_64 on comparable price offerings, what includes higher memory support for arm64 now and what adds to overall price for a SBC 8GB->16GB->32GB ((LP)DDR4. Concepts of soldered memory have its pros *and* cons. )
Like with size discussions for pcb (capable systems towards mini itx comparable sizes), arm64 and x86_64 systems adjust towards each, but (at the moment, without binaries translation) x86_64 has standardization advantages on platform level, since decades.
me missing SBC companies telling what’s their component’s cost for their product, what was most interesting, considering some kind of open hardware approach and what is not offered with big x86_64 companies (maybe except recommended prices for cpu, being list price or MSRP)
Did anyone actually check the prices on Amazon? Way more than the $60 entry the article claims. What am I missing here?
Yeah, they’re much higher in the US at least. $84.99 for the 8GB version and 11.99 shipping.
Has anyone checked the prices? They far exceed what is quoted in the article. What am I missing here?
I don’t think Orange Pi ever employed tkaiser. All I know is that Orange Pi donated $24,000 to the Armbian project to help them with the infrastructure and time, at a time when tkaiser was involved with Armbian.
AFAIK tkaiser has not been involved with Armbian for several years.
Anyway, I’m not the best person to talk about that since Orange Pi is an advertiser for CNX Software, as should be visible to anybody not running an adblocker…
And in any case this is irrelevant to the technical discussions here, and anyone is allowed to do business with anyone else without having to justify oneself. Some of us (me included) occasionally receive free hardware from some vendors because they consider that the feedback they receive is worth it. That’s another form of working for them even if it’s a lower engagement. Is there anything wrong there ? Of course not, as long as comments are honest. We’re engineers not influencers, and we can recommend certain products for certain use cases and not other ones without being suspected of being partial.
it’s different markets for newer SBCs getting into desktop/laptop level performance (>~$150) on recognizable quantities, thus it’s about market share (especially with limited resources on parts/components, materials, energy and labour input, (or agreement on common regulations) )?
It is an open question, if people more likely decide on price or suitability priorities (guess would be, price is limit and suitability is subject for compromises)
AFAIK, Rockchip published sales quantities for some of previous SoC types.
> Some of us (me included) occasionally receive free hardware
Me as well. In order of value:
Which resulted in ODROID forum one madbrain claiming I would be paid by FriendlyELEC and everywhere else on the net TheLiarUK spreading his lies about me being ’employed’ by OrangePi. For ‘software’ while this TheMoronUK has not even an understading of software and how less I care about the stuff Xunlong wanted and stil wants (some ‘nice OS for end-users’).
Just like you I almost never connect a display to SBC and as such I can not understand why Jean-Luc provides TheLiarUK with a platform to constantly spread lies (the insanely stupid comments I’ve learned to deal with).
Given enough whitespace an engineer is an influencer 😉
Jean-Luc Aufranc
You do a amazing job reviewing and informing people about embedded products. It is only right you carry adverts and receive samples to review. It pays for your time and effort running your site.
I allow my adbloker to allow CNA-SOFTWARES adverts, since it one of the ways that pays for your hard work.
i took this for an inspiring test on one ad blocker:
difference between using an ad-blocker or not is with showing one additional ad without active ad-blocker,
but difference with ad-blocker active is, that tracking of user habits is reduced and privacy is improved,
no problem with ads for embedded SBCs (like being another source for news and expanding variety), but it’s a nasty regress on privacy if ads track users for (Machiavellian) companies/characters
my point of view: there’s (at the moments) another difference to closer years ago with cookie/legitimate interest standards on www, what sees development towards more sites offering an object/refuse button, combined with more details on cookies or allow all button. This, different from some years watching that dev, is trending towards more acceptance/respecting www users freedom of choice (because of its influence on visitors attention and advertising value from that)
But, don’t trust me, watch that details yourself and maybe You agree on that?
> I don’t think Orange Pi ever employed tkaiser
Seriously? How could I be ’employed’ by someone I don’t even know? Xunlong got tons of unjustified criticism from me back then when I was part of linux-sunxi community and interested in Allwinner SoCs and started with the SBC game.
Never got any response from Steven other than trying to say hello via Aliexpress years after I bought my first Orange Pi PC. Orange Pi was interesting for EU consumers back then with declared value below 22€.
From a business point of view Xunlong never worked out since w/o a regular bill and warranty handling you don’t sell anything to businesses at least in the EU (that’s why we bought hundreds of ODROIDs and FriendlyELEC’s SBC and not a single OrangePi)
But from a development perspective it was fun since we could babble here and there (linux-sunxi IRC or Armbian forum before the latter was censored) and Xunlong delivered soon with hardware (see SPI flash and Orange Pi Plus 2E with all H3 USB2 ports exposed)
Yes, that’s right. Orange Pi never employed tkaiser before.
OTOH many projects like Arch Linux ARM have decided to completely leave Xunlong Orange Pi without any support. The warheads guy and others simply don’t want to support chinese clone boards.
I miss the old days, where you could get a usable SBC for 15$. Anyone still remembers OPI PC? 😀
Don’t forget, the fab runs cancellations, parts shortages and fuels rises are playing havoc with prices.
If CNX allows
From Techpowerup Jul 8th, 2022 10:01
” According to TrendForce investigations, foundries have seen a wave of order cancellations with the first of these revisions originating from large-size Driver IC and TDDI, which rely on mainstream 0.1X μm and 55 nm processes, respectively. Although products such as MCU and PMIC were previously in short supply, foundries’ capacity utilization rate remained roughly at full capacity through their adjustment of product mix. However, a recent wave cancellations have emerged for PMIC, CIS, and certain MCU and SoC orders. Although still dominated by consumer applications, foundries are beginning to feel the strain of the copious order cancellations from customers and capacity utilization rate has officially declined.
Looking at trends in 2H22, TrendForce indicates, in addition to no relief from the sustained downgrade of driver IC demand, inventory adjustment has begun for smartphones, PCs, and TV-related peripheral components such as SoCs, CIS, and PMICs, and companies are beginning to curtail their wafer input plans with foundries. This phenomenon of order cancellations is occurring simultaneously in 8-inch and 12-inch fabs at nodes including 0.1X μm, 90/55 nm, and 40/28 nm. Not even the advanced 7/6 nm processes are immune. “
This is disturbing but inevitable, talk about a backlash. I’m surprised we are not seeing more ODM/OEMs going out of business. Or maybe that’s the next shoe to drop? I hope not.
Here is the link to the TrendForce article:
Order Cancellations Strike, 8-inch Fab Capacity Utilization Rate Declines Most in 2H22, Says TrendForce
7 July 2022, Semiconductors, Joanne Chiao
https://www.trendforce.com/presscenter/news/20220707-11292.html
Agree that sbcs are getting expensive, but this is a 8 core, more like a tablet, laptop soc… 125$ is a lot anyway… a good price should be 80$
Yes, me too. I bought a lot of OPI Zeros, Ones, One Plus and PCs back in 2018 for $10-20. I like that I could bought OPIs with A53 CPUs, so I could get SBCs with aporox RPI 3 performance for a lot cheaper.
Ah, those were the times. Odroid C1 with $7 shipping cost, OPI Zero with < $20 with shipping cost. 🙂
Orange Pi zero2 1GB version and orange pi 3 lts 2GB8GB is also with good price and performace.
Define usable.The 3588 is in a completely different performance class, even compared to its peers.
No PCI-Express expansion socket ????
I just want an rk3568 with two A76 cores. They could be cute and call it an rk3576. Rk3588s is missing so much important IO. Particularly the PCIe 3.0 lanes on the rk3588 and rk3568.
I like this idea. It matches what I usually like in Marvell’s products: tons of I/Os, decent CPU but no more than that. And when you want lots of I/Os you often don’t need many CPUs, a dual core is often more than enough.
I liked OP4 , it had that smart mpcie extension board connected by a cable, i liked the idea, not sure if this one will have it… does it have a mpcie/m2 socket ?
So much wasted potential,
Drop:
Soldered Wi-Fi / Bluetooth
Soldered MMC Storage
Power via barrel plug
Put
1 x M.2 for Wi-Fi / Bluetooth
1 x M.2 for SSD Storage
Power via USB-C
16MB SPI
And get decent Personal Computer (PC) with ARM Inside 🙂
We are almost there
So you want a rock5b right?
We need something like “Rock 5A” or NanoPi R5S with no wireless, no much display interfaces, but with strong network connectivity and NVME and SATA capabilities.
LOL. Yeah. IMO, So far, Rock5B is the board that is most usefull/beautiful among RK3588 SBCs. If only Tom include some metal case with good heat management (like some RPI4b case). That would be perfect!
Power via barrel plug is so usefull. As it’s ubiquitious, and easy for DIY. USB Type-C, not so much.
> Power via barrel plug is so useful
And dangerous with the typical 5.5/2.1mm since tons of 5V and 12V power bricks use these diameters. I fried my UP Board recently with 12V and this happens all the time.
It seems these days the power design of new devices gets more complex with buck converters and USB PD chips in the power path which obviously also contributes to rising costs.
It’s easy to do that 5V/12V power adapter mistake, but sadly this can happen with USB-C too, with some mini PCs shipping with 12V only “USB-C” power adapters.
Glad I read this comment, had no idea this was a thing.
Quite dangerous practice.
Can they not just put a replaceable fuse on the product, like the old car fuses? Better to replace a fuse than a board.
Can’t make that mistake with PoE – it’s always 48V nominal.
There’s also passive vs active PoE, and it can be 24V or 48V.
I had that problem with a security camera:
https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/15/reolink-trackmix-poe-review-a-smart-4k-ptz-security-camera-with-two-lenses-auto-tracking/#camera-installation
Nothing bad happened through, the camera would just not start since I used a 24V passive PoE adapter, while it needed a 48V active PoE injector.
If you’re working with electronics one would expect that you at least read before plugging something in and I agree that a barrel plug would be much more useful as it’s much easier to find a decent PSU than the myriad of USB-C adapters that may / may not work as expected.
There’s 5.5/2.1mm 19v too. We as end user must thread more carefully. I very much want SBC to have wide range voltage input, like 5v – 24v.
you will likely not get that wide a range, but PC-Engines used to support 7-20V already on their ALIX boards, that was awesome, basically any PSU with a barrel connector would work.
There’s some that covered here (microcontroller), but the price is prohibitive. Oh, HK Odroid N2{+} quite good. 7.5v – 16v
I’ve been asking for that for a while as well. 19-20V is the ‘standard’ for laptops and there are a ton of cheap supplies available in that range–with high efficiency, etc.
Yep, agreed. Rather than put fixed voltage like OPi5 here (5v), It’ll be great if they gave their SBC wide range voltage. Certainly safer too.
My main concern here is the 5v only thingy. I had trouebles with opi4 bc of that. Serious trouebles, like on rpis.
> My main concern here is the 5v only thingy.
The article reads ‘USB Type-C port (USB PD 3.0)’. Since the PMU is RK806-1 I wouldn’t be surprised if this board also relies on a FUSB302 USB PD chip that defaults to 5V/9V/12V (just like everything else with RK35x8 these days).
Always remember: regardless which device maker is involved all the RK3588(S) boards and boxes base more or less on Rockchip’s reference design.
It’s well in October now. Have they launched it yet?
Thanks for the revision post, Jean. Glad they revised the board layout. And Jean, could you maybe create a small poll about whether people that use SBC GPIO or not, as last time I use the GPIO is when using NFC module on RPi3. And just that one time. Well, beside adding RTC battery to those RPi3.
As I see that some SBC maker frequent this site, with that poll, they could use it to consider to put the GPIO or just remove it altogether. Thanks.
For the tasks which GPIO is not required, I used s905x3 TV box with Armbian instead of RPi 4 for a much lower cost.
The high demand on RPi 4 in the engineering area maybe one the major reason for the storage in market.
Same here. I usually use s905x tv box. Have tried s905x2, s905x3 too. But if I can get something like OPI5 8GB with $75 vs s905x3 4GB/32GB box with ~$45, I’d rather get OPI5 8GB.
I have been using some S905X4 TV boxes but paying $100 CAD each for them. Got any favorites at a lesser price point? I’d like to keep a couple in stock
I think it’s depends on where we live. Maybe hunts at aliexpress or banggood for lower price?
Are you cool with the GPIO on the OPI5 now?
Don’t forget the OPI5 don’t have the emmc which is exist in all tv box, and seems it’s a hard decision to choose whether to use wifi or ssd on the m.2 slot. (bcoz someone suspected the wifi is on the m.2 card)
I’m cool with the GPIO. Just thinking that without the GPIO, we can make the board more compact or add more module/feature within that same size board.
And I’m not concerning with emmc. I’d rather have box with M.2 Slot. I can get ~256GB SSD with ~64GB EMMC price.
As for the wifi, we can use wifi dongle. Or get other boards, like Rock5B.
It is revised to be more user friendly with addition of wifi chips & m2 interface but removal of emmc. I think that it’s targeted to existing Pi users who need for speed.
Correction: Minus wifi chips. Plus M.2 interface.
the product desc on aliexpress is
“Pre-sale! Orange Pi 5 4GB RK3588S,PCIE Module External WiFi+BT,SSD Gigabit Ethernet Single Board Computer, Run Android Debian OS”and the Hardware Parameter mentioned the On-Board Module AP6275P with no mention of M.2 M-Key, so that I would expected it’s embedded. Even it’s not correct, it should come with Wifi free of charge.
It’s not clear at all whether the WiFi & Bluetooth module is included. Nowhere on the page do they show an M.2 wireless module.
The 4GB model is 75€ + 15€ for shipping to Finland. That’s… way too much for my taste. The board itself is interesting enough and I’ve got a couple of older OPi-boards already — I wouldn’t mind exploring some of the newer models as well.
Oh well, I wish SBC-prices would drop soon to more reasonable levels.
I think the price is quite reasonable. Cheapest amongst RK3588(s) SBCs too–for now. I wish RockPi5 is in this price range too 🙂
Now, Xunlong, please launch your 16GB model too.
I’d say that the price for the board is reasonable, but the 15 euros for shipping isn’t.
well it’s just always a matter of distance, weight and operator. It just cost me 28 EUR this morning to ship my H3 back from France to South Korea and apparently there were no cheaper options for lighter packages.
If you think that’s bad, you should see what FriendlyElec has broken their site to. It’s telling us that shipping to Ontario, Canada is $83 USD instead of being sub-$10 as I already KNOW is the standard. What are these guys doing?
I’m just an amateur enthusiast but I’d love to pick up one of these new RK3588 devices.. for people like myself that will hook them up to my TV and want to run Android, is there a recommended remote control (is it IR?) receiver out there for easy controlling from a sofa? Cheers!
I would suggest a a311d/s905x4 tv box
I’m familiar with S905X4 TV Boxes and figured these would be a lot more powerful, plus as an enthusiast I certainly don’t mind tinkering and learning at the same time. Any suggestions on an affordable A311D option? I have NOT seen these, yet. Thank you!
A311D is the same as S922X-B, and just slightly faster than S922X
https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/08/04/amlogic-s912-vs-amlogic-a311d-s922x-b-benchmarks-comparison/
You’ll find plenty of TV boxes with S922X.
Appreciate the info, I’m definitely going to see if I can find anything on Google for a fair price with S922X.
I actually had some more questions, is there a forum area anywhere? Where questions can be asked?
The new upcoming “big box” here is called the Formuler Z11 Pro Max. Specs say it has RealTek RTD1319C and 4GB of RAM. I’m being told it will be between $200-$250 CAD depending on who you know.
My question, is do you know of anything with comparable power (or better) for similar (or less!) money?
I feel like places are likely gouging anyone who wants to be an early adopter and Formuler is the luxury TV box brand where I am in Toronto
Thanks again for any assistance, I have subscribed
I would agree going with Amlogic since they dominate the Android TV box scene for good reason as the S905/A311D/S922 variants are reliable, tested and readably available.
Saying that I personally grabbed an Orange Pi5 8GB as fairly cheap when compared with the other RK3588S offerings and as Rock Pi5B is only just shipping to early bird buyers this one seems a good buy yet not without its issues such as limited OS support and lack of I/O options.
The Formuler Z11 Pro Max looks a nice set up with the Mali-G57 MC1 GPU and the RealTek1319C should be fine for streaming although its only Quad-core Arm Cortex A55 putting below the Amlogic chips and at the suggested retail price it seems a tad overpriced!?
https://androidtvbox.eu/new-formuler-z11-series-z11-pro-max-z11-pro-unveiled/
The overpriced-ness of it is what concerns me as well.. There is what looks to be a BuzzTV rebrand unit at most of the STB dealers here that has an S905X4 and Gigabit Ethernet port and I can get them for literally 100 bucks all in, cash, so is the Z11 Pro Max attractive enough at more than double the cost, is what I want to determine. And if it isn’t, what would be considered a noticeable step up from an S905X4 but is priced at less than the Z11 Pro Max? Does such a thing even exist? Or once you go above S905X4 does everything become astronomically more expensive?
once again appreciate the input ! Thank you
I’m curious to see what you decide on and here’s hoping Jean-Luc and other community members manage to get an finished Orange Pi 5 board for testing and I keenly await their findings but something tells me we won’t see the full potential of the RK3588 chipset for a while as support is still lacking but I’m excited none the less to see what it can/can’t do!
Sorry, we don’t have forums, it would take too much time to maintain and moderate, and I’m already working about 60 hours a week :).
What do you plan to do with your device? If you are just going to watch videos from streaming services you’d be better off with a cheaper box purchased in Canada. There’s no need to have a high-end processor for that.
Better specifications will only matter if you play games and/or try to use the box as a desktop PC with an office suite, web browsers, etc… But since you are talking about using an IR remote control this may not be your use case.
Realtek RTD processors usually offer better image quality than Amlogic CPUs, but whether it’s worth it depends on the user.
Visitor in here may not be familar with RTD1319C as it is not likely to run the common SBC OS like linux. You better google for the comparison of TV Box products
As Jean mentioned S922X is quite similar to A311D and it is commonly used in TV Boxs, you may find a number of products from aliexpress
https://fave.co/3tnFugL
Orange PI do sell an IR Remote that is suitable with their boards yet a quick check of the Orange Pi 5 page shows no mention of IR support which is frankly strange for a device promoting Android12 compatibility…?
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/otherAccessories/details/orange-pi-IR-Controller.html
I would definitely not go for any of the current AMLogic range as they are outdated in comparison. In terms of getting a remote, you could easily opt for one with a USB dongle and put it into the USB 2.0 port.
Android out of the box, as has been seen with other RK3588 devices seems to do a great job and so this would be ideal for use as a media player/streamer, as well as some decent gaming and general PC style use.
AMLogic are behind the curve right now with not having anything new ready to hit the market and so this SOC will have a great deal of attention paid to it, which will mean a leger base of general community support.
yes, but what’s the news on roadmaps for ARM SoCs for non-geek (customer/)consumer interest? Available, reliable, affordable and supported, no bad choice for A73/A53/A55, high’ performance SBCs -> A75/A76 Gxxx on (2022) software limitations
Is there a case readily availble for this thing? I see the listings for it on both Amazon and Aliexpress as linked in the article, but do not see any matching bundles with a case
Thank you!
Still seeking a suitable chassis. Subscribed to new replies if anyone can assist, cheers!
How about power consumption how is this compared to the RPI4?
The idle will be better, as far as i know. My RPi4B 4GB clocked at 1750MHz idle at > 4w if I remember correctly. These RK3588(s) usually idle at < 3 watt as what was tested by @tkaiser, @willy, and @Jean.
Pretty good for the price and a useful upgrade from previous RK and AMLogic SOC|’s. Despite the reduced I/O the sheer power of the SOC will be worth it for many and it makes the Pi4 look ancient. The one downside is that 2242 SSD’s are not as widely available with brand names and are more expensive than 2280.
As someone who just shopped for 2242 SSDs, I have to disagree. There are plenty of SSDs in that range for very reasonable prices. NVME are cheaper than SATA in that size–which is a bit strange, but I purchased a 256GB NVME drive for $20(USD). It’s a new drive (based on the SMART data) originally intended for some Lenovo laptop or whatever. Came with a poorly ‘erased’ Windows install.
I found it while looking for a SATA m.2 drive to go in my dechromed ASUS C720.
I also noticed a few times that they were cheaper. I suspect it’s a matter of packaging density: they can stuff way more of them in the same size and weight, and at such low prices, shipping costs start to matter. However from what I’ve seen, at high densities they’re generally using QLC, which is OK to store an operating system but a bit limit to store your valued data.
Must be a regional thing then as in my location, 2280 are cheaper across the board, as well as being manufactured by a wider range of known names.
Or it could just be timing. All the cheap drives I saw on Amazon were clearly pulls from new equipment–many had manufacturers names on them from laptop manufacturers, etc. It could be that I just got lucky. Given the popularity of the steam deck, I imagine we’ll see more drives in this size in the future.
Any hope of a version with a 40 pin gpio?
Unfortunately their board needs extra power adapter so I am out.
I need SBC with QC, PD or 12-24V input or max 2A on input due to fire safety reasons.
I ordered one! Based on Phil’s comments above which is already what I was wondering all along, thank you for that!
I ordered the 8GB version but there is no longer an option with onboard EMMC storage.
What is recommended for good performance, any suggestions? Thanks again my friends!
Also still seeking a case as I plan to definitely hook this up to my 65″ OLED TV (LG C2)
Its good to see you made a selection to go with the 8GB version as its should be powerful enough for your requirements?
I have enquired about upgrading my 8GB order to 16GB as I see them available on aliexpress now with hopes that a case becomes available soon with suitable cooling as not seeing anything online as of yet…?
Are they are to do such a thing? Upgrade to the 16gb model? What’s the difference in price? My app seems to be malfunctioning, but I’ll keep looking
Just following back up. I do not see the 16gb model anywhere on AliExpress sadly
https://fave.co/3EtC3ur
I managed to upgrade my original order from 8gb to the 16gb minus the extra power supply for $105 USD without shipping or taxes.
Their is a picture showing the back of the board hooked up to an external board and lcd as well as the wi-fi+bt module installed in the m.2 slot.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004941850323.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_newArrival.8148356.13.54fa58f5SFYx2R&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21US%20%2475.00%21US%20%2475.00%21%21%21%21%21%402108725416680786028816830e2657%2112000031097287860%21sh&gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt
This confirms what the seller told me that they will be selling the wi-fi + BT module separately with no reply to my question regarding any possible cases…?
Decided to bite the bullet on the 8Gb model. £85.18 all in, inc delivery and VAT added at source, with a £3.60 first time discount code. Paypal available for added security too. The 4GB model would have cost $69.40.
Now all I need to know is what diameter standoffs I can get to lift it off the deck until a case comes along.
I can’t open the linked pages of Aliexpress.
Ali: “Sorry, the page you requested can not be found”
Amazon: “Currently unavailable”
I have a use case in mind but not sure how good of a fit this thing is.
Plex or jellyfin server (I never do multiple parallel streams but I am wondering if plex or jellyfin would properly utilize hardware decoding on this board)
+ home assistant – nothing too heavy so I’m not too worried about this one.
Is there any operating system available? I looked at the orange Pi website and I could not find any operating system.
UK here, I notice the power supply is 5v4a. Have to excuse my ignorance but these are quite hard to find after an Amazon search? I have various plugs and recently bought a 30 watt one (5v3a) do I really need to source a 5v4a one?
I recently ordered this one from Aliexpress and its good quality and arrived quickly.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004618169193.html
The alternative from Amazon is a bit more expensive:
https://www.amazon.com/Geekworm-Raspberry-Adapter-Charger-Support/dp/B09J856PND
I believe the 5v3a should be suffice for normal use however once you plug in dongles and modules/storage the extra power will come in handy…?
Received the op5 yesterday, installed Ubuntu and done some tests.
What I don’t understand is the 6000 score cpu benchmark test for the non S version… And I got a miserable 3200 score running the test in the op5.
My OPi5 16GB has arrived. Put 32GB Sandisk mSD and 256 Kioxia NVME, dd-ing OPi-OS droid to NVME to no avail, then dd-ing debian image to NVME, not working too. Then dd-ing debian image to mSD and it’s working. Read their forum, set rootdev to NVME and voila, boot from mSD then load apps from NVME.
As for the idle consumption (using 10W Huawei charger):
Other power consumption data:
i found that userguide doc was uploaded in their website and gdrive ,pan.baidu address recently,and the doc is very helpful.hope that can help me solve the booting problem.
not yet accessing their docs. Will go there when I’m well. Thanks for the info.
i got one for about five days.the chrome browser isn`t running with GPU accelarated,and gpu decoding 4k video type,so it just use cpu to decode them,resulting a high usage and a high temperature! i have to buy a toy fan to cool it.it works well ,except for some software quit in the Desktop mode.
Still didn’t tested the gpu decoding. I fell ill, and still recovering. But I tested webgl in chrome with acceptable fps. And yes, looks like there’s still some problem with OS. Debian restart when I crank up webgl test.
added slarm64 builds
Apparently ARMBIAN is now available to use with the Orange Pi 5 yet their are still problems with slow NVMe speeds and issues getting wifi & bluetooth working on Android 12?!
I received mine! I have had some success and some failures with testing so far, and I’ve gone with Android 12 as the operating system since I will be using this for home media center hooked up to 65″ LG OLED 4K TV. The device cannot withstand 120hz sustained to the television, a lot of horizontal banding and noise occours. Also have had playback fail within Kodi not due to codecs maxing the system out, but some kind of incompatibility within Kodi possibly?
I have started uploading some preliminary videos to my YouTube channel.
Orange Pi 5 / Android 12 – 1080p KODI playback failure – YouTube
Then received a strike within 60 seconds of uploading my most recent one, it was a 4 to 5 minute video showing me going through all the different apps I’ve got installed and tested, ranging from TiviMate with 4K IPTV service to testing various HDR/DV h264/h265/x264/x265 content?
I’m guessing because I used Kodi and Stremio with torrent plugins?
But this is for testing purposes. Without using Torrents to find various media formats and encoding options I would have no way to test these things, so it is disappointing.
You can find free to use videos @ https://www.cnx-software.com/2010/03/17/where-to-get-video-audio-and-image-samples/
The most interesting links are in the comments section.
I see Orange Pi have planned to release a Pi 5B that looks similar to the original v1.0 test board – no M.2 slot or SPI with onboard eMMC and WiFi 6 / BT 5.0. Not for sale yet.
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-5B.html